Please use ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. The .280AI has about about a 6% powder capacity advantage over the standard .280, given the same brass fire-formed. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. This page was generated at 1 minute ago. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. Purchase and Download for $19.99 at the following links: Apple Devices. The first deer I shot I thought I had used a fire forming load the report was so mild. Nov 14, 2020 #14 I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. Minuteman. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. I have two 7mm RMs, my personal favorites but the 280AI makes a lot of sense, good velocity without the magnum recoil and typically and extra cartridge in the magazine. To closer bridge the gap, I would look into the .280 Sherman. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. The .280 AI is a standard SAAMI cartridge (thanks to Nosler) It costs nothing more to chamber to the AI version than the original .280 Rem cartridge. and a flatter trajectory than the 30-06, pretty good company for a big game cartridge. According to the 4-to-1 Rule,m amounts to a about a 1.5% advantage in velocity, when both rounds are loaded to the same pressure in the same barrel length. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Here's a few quickies. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. To post to our forums, please register. When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. The Contestants. M/L. But why? Perfect for larger deer with the 140's and a real elk and moose buster with the 160's. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. I like a flat shooting rifle having grown up hunting senderos in deep South Texas, the 25-06, 243, 22-250 all were common around our hunting camps. M/L. Welcome! It can be measured or computed … I don't mind fire forming and usually do 100 at a time, the time spent fire forming is somewhat made up for by the almost complete lack of trimming for the AI. The 280AI also has a very high "Cool Factor". T3 lite is a handy little gun. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? The .280 Improved has been our best seller for 8 years. Lots of CZ 550's out there too. Some of us just like something different. Loaded to the same pressure their is about 50 FPS difference between the 280 Rem and the 280AI, not worth the trouble to me. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 5 of 5 Posts. Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. the rm holds about 8 more grains but with the higher psi the AI comes close to the RM. I have a Kimber Mountain Ascent Moss Green in the .280 Ackley Improved and have hunted both the Washington and Idaho backcountry and this rifle has taken several elk and mule deer. ...... She shoots a 7/08 but its proving hard to find what I'm looking for either kimber, Winchester or the ruger light weight. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. I know the 7 Mag has that much "disliked" belt but I neck size my once fired so it head spaces off the shoulder.The 7MM holds one less in the magazine but not a big deal..I've never had a 280 AI but would think the standard 280 or 7 MM Express would feed more smoothly. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … A finely crafted and outstanding rifle. A Tikka T3 weighs just a hair over 6 lbs; Featherweight right at 7 lbs. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. Hunting. The 280 AI is a mild recoil cartridge, not producing the heavy recoil of a 458 Lott, or the retina detaching recoil of a 505 Gibbs. Also, the bullet selection is tremendous on 7mm. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … 280 AI Handy for Handloading The 165/168 gr's are able to put 2100 + ft-lbs out too 300 yards,,, 2200 ft-lbs with the AI case. Guns. Subsequently, Ruger has been considerate in leaving a mounting point in the forearm for those who would prefer this location for a front sling swivel stud. However, since the .280 AI has such an efficiently designed case, that particular load only requires 60gr of powder. It is popular enough that Nosler both chambers its fine rifles in .280 AI and produces .280 AI in its custom line of ammunition, as well as providing component brass for handloaders that would rather not take the time to fireform cases. You’re talking about a cartridge suitable for a wide variety of game without the recoil of a magnum round. What is noticeable is the noise and recoil reduction. If The Recoil too much a 7 Mag you can even be had with reduced recoil loads:-) So it really comes down to if the perceived advantages of the AI cartridges really does outweigh the very real disadvantages for the job you're trying to do compared to an already available Factory cartridge. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. The world, as it is, is vexing enough..." Col. Stonehill. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Sniperwannabee CWO. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. If she doesn't care for the recoil of a 308, I doubt she will enjoy a 280AI. Re: 280 AI rifles [Re: jlink280] #15401220 11/10/20: Joined: Jan 2005. Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. Custom reticle Leupold scope, crisp trigger, decelerator recoil pad. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. I think the 6.5 prc would be too! Great price. Custom 280AI with 26barrel 1:9 twist will stabilize the longer 175 and 180gr's too long range, there are lots of quality bullets too choose from for the reloaders. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. Secondly, plenty of power for what my needs are without burning the powder a 7mm mg will. Also, you have the advantage of shooting regular 280 ammo in a pinch. Of course the bigger recoil contributor is bullet mass. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? I prefer the 280 ai. Anyway, I'd probably go with the .280 AI. The 280 AI gives you heavier bullet options than the .270 Win. 7mm Rem. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. And panache? 28 Nosler vs 280 AI. ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. Outstanding wood with RH palm swell, superb fit and finish. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. 5 Great Late-Season Hunting Trips. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. Her ruger was heavy she commented on it during a stalk on a bou at one point my buddy was carrying it for her... She lifted my kimber in a 325 she goes that's light.. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. My trip down the .280 AI path came because I wanted a Kimber and the 84L action housing the .280AI is smaller and lighter than the 8400 action housing the 7mm Rem Mag. T3 lite is a handy little gun. The 7mm Rem Mag load above still has about 3% more free recoil energy than the faster .280 AI load. Its supposed to be a really accuracte cartridge too and you will end up with prolly a pretty accurate rig since your action will be trued up, assuming its a decent barrel. forums are viewable by anyone, and may be read by clicking the forum headings I really kinda narrowed it down to the 280 AI and the 308. The 280 AI will be a better LR hunting cartridge because 7mm bullets have higher BC and the 280 AI is launching them faster, so it shoots flatter, almost as good as the 7mm rem mag. Recoil Levels in 7-pound Rifles. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. PX Member. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. to a 280 AI if that is required. Also drove a Saab for 7 years, so maybe I am just different! It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Take your moose hunt to the next level! I tend to like a little more bullet if elk are the intended game. Reactions: Raffy. Is there nothing so sacred on this earth that you aren't willing to kill or die for? the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. Now with several companies making chambering the round I think I'm ready to make the jump even thought it might not be the ideal time. FWIW, my 280 AI recoil is significantly more than my 308. Register I tend to like a little more bullet if elk are the intended game. Tikka would be fine if u can find one the Winchester in a 7-08 is a other hard one to find. Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Sgt USMC - a while ago. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership | Manage Your Account/Update Password. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. What the 280 AI does is get danged close to a 7mm mag in terms of velocity without the use of a belted case and with less powder, i.e., more efficient, similar trajectory with less recoil. Minuteman. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership |, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307769604, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308522858, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307841390, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308571726, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308041951, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308052355. That’s not a gigantic difference, but it’s also not nothing either. Mag. JD338 _____ One thing that drew me to the 280 AI was first, I have an AI itch. The contents of the Alaska Outdoors Supersite I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. Messages that specifically relate to shooting in Alaska are welcome. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … I have read Remington loaded a little light for the Remington autos, but not much difference to the hand loader. Reactions: Raffy. A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . Appears as new, beautiful custom build. If I didn't handload, my cartridge choice would be different. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. Alaska Outdoors Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. Life member NRA I prefer classic. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? The 6.5 swede is a great idea but finding one in a light rifle will prove difficult as well. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. ... light synthetic stock, spendy trigger, thick recoil lug, spendy scope. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. Register The cartridge is more than capable of taking large game like elk and moose, but it can do so with less powder and less recoil than magnum cartridges like the 7mm Rem. From my understanding kimber is discontinuing the 260 as a chambering as well. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. ~Thomas Jefferson. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. Improved, and have loaded and shot a whole bunch of 7mm Remington Magnum, and can attest to the fact that the .280 AI offers a significant reduction in recoil. The factory 280 can almost push the limited of the 7mm Mag, the 280 AI can match it. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. I have an 8.5 # all up 280 ai on a model 70 action. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. The 280s are more economical to load with cheaper brass and less powder used. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … You can buy a 700 30-06 and re-barrel, and make it the way you want. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip. It's based off the .270 Win/.280 Rem case, but the shoulder is moved even farther forward than the .280 AI, to get even more powder in there. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. Latest. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. As a long range medium game hunting cartridge, the .280 is limited by the abilities of the shooter to read wind more so than any limitation of cartridge wounding power. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … your account management area, forums and University require login. More The Gun Nuts. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. I shoot a 260, would not consider a Creed. Mag., 150-grain bullet, 3,248 fps: 29.16 f-p recoil energy, 16.37 fps recoil velocity. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. "I do not deal in hypotheticals. .280 Ackley Improved Like many calibers, the .280 Ackley Improved (AI) is underrated only by those who have never used it. Honestly if I had problems finding 280 AI brass, dies etc, I would just shoot the 280 Rem. Learn more! Slippin' in that full power cartridge might get ya a night on the couch ! But why? I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … The Alaska Moose Hunting Guidebook is now available for Apple devices and for Amazon Kindle. I always thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interest t has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … 5 Great Scout Rifles. There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. It's basically a .280 AI, that's been improved even more. Great price. I prefer the 280 ai. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. The 140 TSX gave me the best accuracy using IMR 4831 but its temp sensitive the LRX and GMX I couldnt get to fly. I have two rifles i've been eyeing one is the Kimber Montana and the other is the Montana Rifle Company E3. August 2, 2006. I would add that I preferred the 24 inch .280AI barrel over the 26" that came with the 7mm mag. Nosler ~ Custom ~ .280 AI Description: Nosler Custom rifle .280 AI. The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. I've shot everything I mention in this post, and if light recoil and good performance is what you are after, the 280AI will do it. Remember you`re asking rifle loonies a question with no answer..other than maybe "just because". Totally adequate on small African game or Antelope with the 120's. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … Anyway, I'd probably go with the .280 AI. Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. Another way to look at the .280 AI is that it gets just about the same muzzle velocities, with the same bullet weights, as a .30-06 handloaded to "modern" pressures. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. The combination of high BC’s combined with mild recoil, have made the .280 and .280 Ackley Improved wildcat, highly favored cartridges for long range hunters wanting to build light and set limits on recoil accordingly, recoil to both the shooter and rifle platform. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. Both still to be found in 6.5x55...Too heavy? Tons of 270 wsm out there ranging from kimbers to Tikkas. The Alaska Shooting Forum is for connecting shooters in the 49th state. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. SOLD Caliber Info:.280 … No real advantage over the 270 or 06, but just a bit different. There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). to a 280 AI if that is required. ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. Your actual numbers may vary. I have a 270 it just has seen better days. I allws thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interstet has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. The 7RM with bullets 160-190 will out perform the 280s but for general use and average ranges not much difference. Search continues I guess I missed out on a good deal on weatherby ultralight in a 7-08. Supersite offers several membership levels. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. The .280 can be built with a long barrel and long free bore to produce both high velocity and low recoil, however it does have its velocity limitations, not weaknesses, but limitations. I have an 8.5 # all up 280 ai on a model 70 action. Basically near 7mm mag with less powder and recoil. I hunt elk, mule … It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. And ballistic savants, such as the late Chub Eastman, espoused the cartridge, recognizing its best-in-class ballistics at comfortable recoil levels. Mag. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. Differences between the 280, 280AI and 7RM are not earth shaking. Sniperwannabee CWO. I shot the 7RM as my primary rifle for nearly 40 years, now that I have a 280 AI the magnum only gets taken out of the safe for occasional fondling. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. Looking at Midway there's more Factory loadings for a 7 Mag than a 280 and a 280 AI combined. There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. All times are GMT-9. I'm over 3000 fps with 160s without pushing things. Yes, and I think she would prefer a 260 or 7mm08 more than any 280 or 280AI if recoil is the issue. the same username and password for all areas. But 7mm bullets of the same weight and shape have higher ballistic coefficients. 280 AI, 150-grain bullet, 3,100 fps: 26.86 f-p recoil energy, 15.7 fps recoil velocity. A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . I shoot a 358 Winchester, and my 30-06 is getting turned into a 280 AI. The .280 Ackley Improved (.280 AI) was registered with SAAMI in 2007 by Nosler. And panache? It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Several manufacturers making .280AI brass now, no need to fireform. Mag. The Contestants. At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. Recoil is mild, less than my 10.5# unbraked.260 pushing a 140 @ 2850. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. Your actual numbers may vary. below. I did miss a smoking deal on 260 in a kimber montanan on 24hour it lasted an hour. PX Member. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. The .280 Sherman is ****-near a 7mmRM, but uses a standard '06 bolt face action. This 360-page book is a great resource for any Alaska moose hunter, regardless of experience level. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. I live in CA and I recently had a .280 AI put together knowing that it would never see lead. For your security, , looking into getting a new hunting rilfe s also not nothing either for larger deer with the TSX! New hunting rilfe specifically relate to shooting in Alaska are welcome Account/Update Password contents... A 280 and a real elk and not bad on recoil a 7-08 7mm08, 280 AI bullet. Full potential it will give better the the 270win ) from the standard.280 Remington data live in CA i! 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