When their is potential for longer shots I will reach for the gentlemen’s 7mm mag. the reasons I stick with my .308 are: If I had a .308, I wouldn't jettison it just to buy a .280 (unless the .280 was a CRF Winchester Featherweight). The 30-06 and 308 are just copies, IMAG0080.jpg [ 944.71 KiB | Viewed 1379 times ], IMAG0075.jpg [ 1.45 MiB | Viewed 1379 times ]. Those first .270, .30-06, .243, and .308 chamberings have been joined by the .22-250, .25-06, 7mm-08, and .280 Remington. You realy can't go wrong with either , ammo will be more readily available for the 308. I have nothing against the winny but for big game the 280 gives about 10% more. Post subject: Re: 280 Rem vs 308 Win. I'll have to read up on the specs for .280 Ross, see if it will work with the original '91 8X57J case head that most of our modern cases are based on. ... "308 Win beat by 7mm/08 Rem and 260 Rem." etc. Guns. Not long after the .280 Remington made its public debut, wildcatters had their way with the .308 Winchester case, marrying it to the 7mm bullets, resulting in the 7mm/308 wildcat. The .280 used to be called the 7mm express but was slow to be excepted, but the ballistics are far better from the .280 vs the .308, and as far as an Elk gun the .280 is by far the better choice. Unlike the .270 Winchester, the .280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. The 7mm-08 cartridge was derived from the .308 Win but necked down to accept a 7mm diameter bullet which we see with the smaller neck diameter of the 7mm-08 Rem. Along with the 260 and 7/08, I would certainly include the 280 Rem as well. How Remington Made a Mess Instead of an Overnight Success Based on its .284-inch bullets and ballistic potential, the 280 Remington should have been an … Either can be made to produce great accuracy. Hunting. i am running the same brand barrel and same load as they are. Because you don't handload I'd look no farther than the .308 Win. The straight 280 Rem. Just about any caliber will kill a deer as long as you get that first bullet in the right spot. I pillar bedded, steel bedded the action, and free floated the barrel on my rem 700. i also installed a timney trigger. 270 Win vs 280 Rem vs 280 AI vs 7mm Mag Ballistics Those differences in the external dimensions of the .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum do translate into differences in ballistic performance, though probably not quite as much as you’d initially expect. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. along with the shape of the cartridge case. But the 308 being an inheritably accurate caliber, I don't load so there's more of a choice in good factory ammo I think for the 308. ... By the way I know the post is about 280 vs 280AI but I am using the 270 Win only to make my point because it's been around so long, is so popular and is considered a great round. Make 260 Remington vs. 308 Test Fair. I just barely sold those 280 RCBS dies to you and Ruger and these jokers on this site go and do this to a guy! At 200 yards the figures are 2344 fps and 1830 ft. lbs. Both are very capable cartridges, my prefference is the .280 ,but I load. They are both good choices for there intended purposes. Standard cartridge Good barrel life Feeds reliably great for hunting Mild recoil.284 Pros. Not so fast young man , the 270 and 308 both come in 150 grain bullets and if you compare apples to apples the 270 is superior to the 308! The first sensible comparison is with the 7-08 Rem, a similarly designed calibre using the .308 Win as the parent case instead of the .30-06. Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:20 pm . The bullets I compared in this video were not identical, but as close as I could come. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .22-250 Remington vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. EOD350, Brass selection is the main reason most choose the 284 Win. RADD strikes again. In the 150gr. It’s indisputable that a .30 caliber delivers more energy than a comparable 7mm. [citation needed (within your original question). These ballistics make it clear that the .284 is still every bit as good as the .280 Remington with the same weight bullet. that is not saying the 284 is better or worse than the 280 though. I have a 308 so I would probably have to take a 280...I have more use for one of those as I have a 300 Savage, a 308, two 30-06's, and a 300 WSM so I think I have the 30 cal club quite decently covered! I would go for a Browning BLR 308 for thich timber and brush and short range shots. I'm in Ontario so it's mostly whitetails so it's a toss up between short and long range, but I do plan on doing a muley hunt and a caribou hunt someday which will then be long range. (Dec. 21st, the first day of winter, ya right!). In 1980, Remington decided there was consumer demand for a commercial version of the 7mm-.308 wildcat, and the 7mm-08 Rem. Let's throw another calibre on the table. The end result was a 7 mm cartridge with about the same overall length as the .308 Winchester but with a wider body, that yields a powder capacity about the same as that of the .270 Winchester and .280 Remington. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. I have both and shoot both. Personally I use a 280 but I handload. North American Big Game (minus Grizzly/Brown bear). The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. It’s equally at home inside a .300 Winchester Magnum case as it is inside a .270 Winchester, .280 Remington or .25-06 Remington and has been factory loaded in the .470 Nitro Express. I have a safe full of different calibers. vs. .300 Ultra Mag. Faster Less drop and wind deviation ; 7mm Ultra Mag. However, the .308 performs better with heavier bullets than the .270 and is available in a wider range of bullet weights and models. 115 SW Columbia St | Bend, Oregon, USA 97702  |  Toll Free: Nosler Showroom / Open to the Public:  Monday - Friday 10:00 am to 5:30 pm PST. on average has the same case capacity as the 284 Shehane. Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. program or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition. was born. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. If you go for the NULA then get the 280. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. I also have a 223 for varmints so I need something to fill my needs in between. I might have to rebarrel mine into something obscure and antiquated just to escape the herd. 28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger. Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:28 am Posts: 300 Location: Western Wisconsin I would go for a Browning BLR 308 for thich timber and brush and short range shots. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in … The 280 is the 06 of the 284 calibers, probably the best for big game. Re: 284 Win -vs- 280 Rem our local guys got close to 3k accurate rounds of of their 284s running a 175 smk at around 2850 fps. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Well. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150 grains and above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. All kidding aside (well mostly anyway, this thread is full of kidding!) Do you see what took place here? I built a light weight 280 Rem. The .308 Winchester/.308 Win/.308 was introduced in 1952 in the United States. I am looking for and I do need a gun for deer sized game. Far more important is to pick the rifle you are comfortable with and can shoot well. While recoil is more or less comparable between the two cartridges, typical .308 Winchester loads do not have as flat of a trajectory as typical .270 loads. Like its parent cartridge, the 7mm-08 Remington works perfectly in a short-action rifle, and inherited the .308’s … I may have the chance to buy either a 280 or 308. 5 Great Scout Rifles. All were Remington Core-Lokt, an extremely popular bullet in the deer woods. It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. You guys around here are making the .280 too popular. .308 Winchester. What kind of rifle are you interested in? The 280 Rem. Call it the .281 curmudgeon .279 Einzelgänger or something. More The Gun Nuts. I can hardly bear to turn away from purchasing a good 280 Remington or 308 Winchester rifle. What if a fella happens to own one of each? Application? With the same weight of bullet, the .280 Remington will better the velocity of the .270 Winchester every time, even if just by a small margin. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests, Nosler Inc  |  Privacy  Use  Order Processing. I am a big believer in quality bullets and good shot placement and I do like the fact that the 280 is flatter shooting and the ballistic coefficiency is better on a 7mm bullet(280) than the 30cal(308). You guys are just so much help, that's all I got to say! performance and marketing success by unleashing its 280 in 1957, but they screwed it up. Either will perform more than adequately for most of the game we hunt in North America. In 1955, three years after the .308’s commercial introduction, Winchester necked down its case to 6mm and up to .358. The Winchester trajectory figures look like this: +2.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -3.4" at 250 yards, and -8.5" at 300 yards. The recoil energy and recoil velocity figures are taken from various sources including the recoil nomograph in the Handloader's Digest 8th Edition, various online recoil calculators, the Remington Shoot! 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. I have a 338WM now that I use for moose and have done elk\mule deer combo hunts with. Re: 284 winchester vs 7mm-08 If feeding is a concern the 280 is ballistically identical to the 284 but is in the standard 30-06 case. August 2, 2006. Remington tried to match Winchester’s 270 Win. The .308 case gave wildcatters fresh clay to sculpt, and within a decade of the .308’s release, somebody came up with the 7mm-.308, a necked-down version of the .308 that held 7mm bullets. This resulted in the .243 Win and .358 Win. And why wouldn’t it? Maybe I could shorten the neck a tad, blow out the shoulder to keep the same case capacity with a deeper seating depth but make it work better in a standard military mauser 98 action. : lol i am at 2k rounds right now and it still shoots as good as it ever has. I compared a 150-grain in the 308 Winchester against the 140 … "mountain rifle" in the late 70's, and personally, i don't think in "this" case the imp is worth it at all. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, o guess I got you all going pretty well and you seem to lean VERY heavily towards the 280, I'll provide some of the additional requested information. Now there were three in the family, but it didn’t end there. From this cartridge, the 7.62×51 NATO round was also designed and saw brief use in the US military in Vietnam with the M14 Garand. Latest. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra … I thought the 30 cal special was a necked up 7x57 case? i have no experience with a 280 to make a comparison. Not a handloader, I'd go 308win. Regardless of whether a Featherweight was built in 1952 or 2018, I believe it is one of the finest standard-production, big-game rifles of all time. With a 200-yard zero, the drop to 400 yards is just over 3in less with the .280 when shooting the same 140-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. The .260 Remington (also known as 6.5-08 A-Square) cartridge was introduced by Remington in 1997.Many wildcat cartridges based on the .308 Winchester case had existed for years before Remington standardized this round.. Because 6.5 mm (.264") bullets have relatively high ballistic coefficients, the .260 Remington has seen success in rifle competition including bench rest, metallic … I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. is old school and everyone on here knows that old school won't work. 5 Great Late-Season Hunting Trips. When it comes time to do some serious hunting though, I always grab for the 280. For Ontario deer hunting any cartridge from 243 to 45-70 can be appropriate. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. Using this bullet weight the 270 win has a ballistic coefficieny of 496 and a sectional density of 279 , the 308 or 30 cal bullet has a BC of 435 and a SD of 226. .280 Remington vs .270 Winchester. Remington legitimized the cartridge in 1980, releasing the 7mm-08 Remington to the hunting world. 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