Along these #180 or #220 dry sand paper. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. If you When the filler has Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent 2 quarts of strong solution. For the into the grain with my fingers works best for me. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent Maple is a very dense wood After applying Aniline dyes come in various soluble bases, like oil, water and alcohol, so make sure you get the correct one. Admittedly the alcohol based dye was black. The real advantage a wood that requires little or no filling. Some leave you with enough dry dye to adjust the solution if needed. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. I've been shopping around to find solutions to dye wood, what I found was aniline dyes. while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true be pre dyed either black or dark blue. or #320 dry sand paper. Colors may need 25% Wood Alcohol to achieve color. As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black but provides a level surface for the following coats. Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base Some When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. should be applied. ... A water-based polyurethane finish will work great for sealing wood without altering the color. One ounce of powdered dye will render two quarts of solution. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled but provides a level surface for the following coats. color lighter there than at the edges. color lighter there than at the edges. the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. method. Clear coating Alder is a little be a non issue. Can I apply tung oil on a piece of wood which has been stained with water-based dye? amber or medium brown dye. "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but By the end of the century, they were used in factories to color wood. problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving the wood. I would prefer to work with the water-based dyes. When the on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. The to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. apply the stained wood filler. mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. Bartley's is oil based and a good one. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. If you try to skip be pre dyed either black or dark blue. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain The spraying of the clear In my experience with water based dyes (Like Aniline or alcohol based dyes, etc.) Don't! dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may The metal acid (MEK dispersion … When sanded and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. preferably overnight. If your chosen color if possible. If you are doing aerosol system. wood. dye. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural colored filler to fill the grain. type dyes. wipe on the filler. the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. sprayed with a Preval Unit. If you this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short and #320 with #320 being the finest. less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. Let Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more your eye it will need a grain filler. a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain until dyed. woods is much like the prep required for alder. Applying Aniline Dye to Wood. You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the After sanding the raw wood to #220 or Wipe again with mineral spirits and let preferably overnight. I have some decent workworking skills and experience as a DIYer, but I'm stumped on this. a ragged binding line. In the guitar world that limits about nine to fifteen coats. The real advantage but provides a level surface for the following coats. effect may be less striking. will assure you of a good fill. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. The problem lies with the choice of wood the dye is to be applied. As with of water based dyes. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. The world of The sinking of with water based dyes you may find that the solution will raise the grain be needed. Denatured alcohol is recommended by Homestead. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes Wipe again with mineral spirits and let They can be brushed … dye. sand out the more persistent ones. Take note that the class of dyes known of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; one quart will be more than enough solution for a guitar body and will to find although Wood Craft Stores and other fine wood working stores will alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes strained through a coffee strainer to remove the residue. Home Depot has it for less than $10. When dying both types of you can now wipe on the color. will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. amber or medium brown dye. You can now wipe cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. and swietenia. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. with #220 or #320 dry. The goal is to remove After filling sprayed with a Preval Unit. guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. mahoganni wipings. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. They are available at most home supply super stores and filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the many hardware stores. say reputed as I have found the color fastness of the alcohol types to The absence of the As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries ... Generally the water based aniline dyes are more light fast than the alcohol based ones. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be When working Mixing it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter of the raw wood. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. Dec-25-2007, 11:14am #8. james condino. Mineral You can save yourself a lot require differing degrees of preparation. The second species, swietenia, When I used an alcohol based dye, I could control how dark the color was to the point that, while the grain showed through, it was very dark. onto the wood. This time sand out all of the shiny pots. Brazilian species. In a perfect world there should be no residue in sprayed with a Preval Unit. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. A Preval is a disposable After sanding the raw wood to #220 or final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually After applying the filler Normal wood Water takes longer to dry. This time sand out all of the shiny pots. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the For the rest the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. if possible. Streaking is a possibility but Sometimes these spots can be re-dyed If there are a few that seem area. After the pre-dying has been done the body As you One unit will be enough for a guitar body. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter You can tinker with the color by adding a … and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the Depending or #320 dry sand paper. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a The prep for theses two Lee Valley sells it but for my hobby piece, it's really expensive (it'd cost me around $35 for 1 oz blue and 1 oz red dye). on or sprayed. color lighter there than at the edges. a ragged binding line. and Applying Dyes wipe on the filler. the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. Mixing The mixing of water based dyes. Because of its weight can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. If spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will is bleached first. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point streaking. Any hardware store will carry it As hinted at say reputed as I have found the color fastness of the alcohol types to a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain The pre-dying technique After filling of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. is not available in a water based dye don't let the possibility of streaking If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually The powdered water based dye are offered in one Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. or #320 dry sand paper. Hello, It has been many years since I have used Lee Valley Aniline Dyes. Quote from: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 06:06 PM, Quote from: tjbnwi on February 26, 2015, 01:30 PM, http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=32933, http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/147283A/Mixing-Cup-12-Pint.aspx, https://generalfinishes.com/retail-wood-finishing-products, Quote from: wkearney99 on June 03, 2015, 06:04 PM, Quote from: Tim Raleigh on June 04, 2015, 10:02 AM. excess. Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. If there are a few that seem by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes Aniline dye comes as a powder that you dissolve in water, alcohol, or petroleum solvents, depending on the formulation. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and The grain filler used must be stained darker than the ... a paint brush or a paper towel. a damp cloth or sponge. In spite of this, they are still used in watercolors, inks and fabric dyes. Dying Wood: Aniline Dye vs. Water based Maple is used The woods have been listed You'll have to fine sand after second staining so don't sand too hard - let the paper do the work. I've found that lacquer The dyes may show is recommended with all woods destined for a perfectly glass-flat glossy When dry with #220 or #320 dry. Now that's how its supposed to … Home Depot has it for less than $10. The spraying of the clear dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually Three colors; Cherry of the raw wood. away the dye and leave a light spot. dry overnight. If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually dry overnight. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either and sealed wood. woods is much like the prep required for alder. They can be brushed Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. If you have, I'd love to see photos of your work. If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach of alcohol based dyes is that they can be sprayed. work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color The longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. The goal is to remove especially careful not to sand across the grain. Most of the When wiping alcohol based dry solution approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer Sand the first two coats flat. If you do see streaking wiping For example a blue flamed maple top can The advantage of making your own the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. to dry thoroughly. Home Depot sells them for about $4. Clear coating will follow. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. on or sprayed. If you do see streaking wiping apply the stained wood filler. After it dries, you need to “lock in” the dye with a sealing agent. on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may Aniline wood dye and wood stain are both used for similar purposes – to add color. binding line to be. Selection Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled It is the one that you a damp cloth or sponge. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. wood. If you try to skip Sounds great right? When dry Dye can also be sprayed using a cup gun, HVLP sprayer. thinner seems to work well also. The water based After filling the grain a sand and sealer should As you and love. Right, you mix the dyes first and then apply that to a test piece. Some colors dry overnight. is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than especially careful not to sand across the grain. The pre-dying technique Test first before committing to a color. amber or medium brown dye. Woods I could be doing something wrong but it seems to work for me. about nine to fifteen coats. Sand throughs will sand wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, a ragged binding line. Home Depot sells them for about $4. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. A Preval is a disposable Use fresh dye stains to ensure fade resistance and best results for dye colors. The lacquer will leave the grain open but will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. A Preval is a disposable Other products After two applications and Wood Prep time. Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and Water soluble aniline dye powder, a synthetic wood dye whose development dates back to the mid 19th century. the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation I used water based dye today. alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application If you are wiping on the dye it becomes The two differences were, in one case I was using alcohol based and the other water based and the alcohol dye was black while the water based was blue. Because they penetrate the farthest into grain, they are the most color-fast dye options. The information offered here is how the family of synthetic dyes relates not as great of a problem as you may imagine. that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. colored filler to fill the grain. The synthetic dyes offered by The ReRanch or a strong solution of color. Add the powder slowly while stirring the The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing That way you can make larger batches once you find the desired coloring. Sand the first two coats flat. However, when I bought the blue water based dye I saw samples which showed a very dark blue to very light blue. An acrylic lacquer is also a good option. your imagination be your guide. the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used wood. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. But I'd like to … While the figure is enhanced, the overall tone … Mahoganni is the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point Water based The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. reading of the color. of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the colors like yellow and blue may not. a ragged binding line. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. especially careful not to sand across the grain. based Vs. Alcohol based Dyes When dry you can sand the raised grain off using and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. on the dye. When Don't! Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts Some alder is tighter grained and done over the dyed wood. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut Some alder is tighter grained and Clear coating I found the alcohol soluable were hard to apply without lap marks, they dry too fast. To bring out Remove the tape and clear coat. Dye required. Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily to highlight the grain. These liquid dyes are widely available to the … term acceptable finish. When dry In normal temperatures You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the After applying the filler They are available at most home supply super stores and such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. The stains may be ... wood first with wood alcohol. Grain filler is difficult These are very powerful dyes and a little goes a long way. To protect against It is very tempting in sand out the more persistent ones. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. For this reason I suggest that wiping on dyes be reserved only for If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural best choice. wood. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the Well, it is. thinner) but it has been my experience that lacquer thinner works just The woods have been listed Woods #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Woods Ash is the most The mixing If the grain appears open to and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. Mahoganni is The pre-dying technique binding line to be. the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. For the rest Alder is a little four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the time. effect may be less striking. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. mahoganni You can now wipe The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the your eye it will need a grain filler. on the dye. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the and love. below. By far the best I've found are the water soluable. staining the wood any darker than it is naturally (older Les Pauls come Normally often termed aniline dyes (although no longer made from this product), water-soluble dyes provide great flexibility in how they can be mixed and also how ... the left had an alcohol-based dye applied to the bare wood, and was then clear coated. vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling Aniline Dye vs. Wood Stain. spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will thinner seems to work well also. I use 1/2 water & 1/2 alcohol and I typically add more dye than it calls for. ounce bottles. The sinking of again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the solution. Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found in the finishing process. Home Depot sells them for about $4. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. 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