But the 300 WSM is also a great choice. The .300 Win Mag is probably not something you start a new shooter on. Both cases were new unfired. As others have mentioned the 300 WSM would be great for longer on average shots or when the extra energy can be an advantage (moose,large bear),but the cost is prohibitive unless you reload. .300 Winchester Magnum vs. Hornady .300 PRC Although I love it, in pure technical terms I’m forced to admit the .300 Win. If I'm going to shoot a .308 caliber I like more horsepower than the 30-06 can offer. Re: 300 WSM or 7mm WSM 7mms for higher BC with less recoil. And more so as you go to heavier 30 cal pills Share. Deer don’t run at all with this caliber. How many clays do you think the 180gr 308 will go through? (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 7.25 27.1 15.5 Kimberpross April 18, 2019, 11:21 am. Generally, the .300 Win Mag will be a heavier and longer-barreled rig designed to take advantage of the increased powder capacity of the case. Shooting mine with 125 gr bullets for 50 rounds for record plus sighters, usually about 65 rounds total is not too hard on me. As for 300 WSM the recoil is much stouter off the bench. Both my 300 WSM and 30-06 weighed 7.5 lbs scoped. They are about equal in recoil, perahps a bit less for the 300 WSM. Still, both might be a bit much for a new hunter or shooter to cut their teeth on. While the 300 WSM was closer to 300 WM performance I calculated recoil right down the middle. The .300 Winchester Magnum and 300 WSM (along with the .30-30 Winchester, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum, 300 PRC, and .300 Weatherby) use the same .30 caliber bullets. Have you ever considered the 270 WSM? Being short and squat, the angle of the magazine follower can play a huge role in whether or not the rifle will feed smoothly. 308 vs 300 Win Mag How Many Clays Will They Shoot Through? Recoil energy for 270 WSM in an 8 pound rifle is 19 lbs, much less load variability . I planned on using a 150-175 grain bullet in the -08 if that makes a difference . .308 Win. I'd say your friend will not go wrong with the 300 wsm it is a very efficient caliber and does well with a wide variety of bullets. And while that theory may hold water, the WSM design garners one major complaint: they don’t feed well. I use Barnes 165 gr TTSX out of a 300 WSM on whitetails with great success. The 308 Win vs 300 WSM a very large difference: For one 300 WSM is in Short Supply & Very Costly. The reason for this is that the ammunition is cheaper, the short action is more enjoyable, and the round produces much less recoil. Introduced by Winchester in 1952 as a somewhat more powerful alternative to the .300 Savage, the .308 Winchester cartridge is a rimless, bottleneck, rifle cartridge. 308 vs 300 WSM. In the real world, firearms chambered for less powerful cartridges are typically built lighter than firearms chambered for more powerful cartridges. I am seeking advice from experienced elk hunters. "When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." It’s less powder and less recoil. A tight necked 308 is a popular round in Hunter Benchrest. on the other hand the 308win just about every mom & Pop Store & Wal*Mart has 308 Ammo. Thread starter BloodyRedArrow; Start date Jul 31, 2020; Jul 31, 2020 #1 B. BloodyRedArrow Junior Member. A more reasonable comparison would be the 300 WSM with the .300 Win Mag. Im looking for a long range rifle. I'm running about 2950fps in a 28" melonited barrel without a compressed load. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. By Ron Spomer. I don't agree that a 7mm WSM suffers in a short action mag. Wednesday at 4:19 AM #28 H. handwerk Member. I understand it is not for everybody, but it is the best way to mitigate felt recoil and muzzle rise ... been using them since 2003. Member Join Date Jun 2019 Location Tasman Posts 422. Since ballistically they are so close it is only a matter of preference for what you prefer. vs .300 Win. I did some bench comparisons of the two. Before you buy your next rifle, see how they compare. I simply want to build a long range rifle that will perform. I am sure stock fit as well as weight played a part in the perceived recoil of the 300 WSM but I have no issues with a heavier 300 WM. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .300 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. That’s true. 6. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. We also developed reduced-recoil loads using Accurate 5744 that were very consistent. This is very likely the single most commonly used bullet size in North America, so there’s an excellent bullet selection for both cartridges. I have no problem shooting 300 with a model 7. has many outdated design characteristics, starting with the entirely unnecessary belt and including its quite-short neck, which (in theory more than practice) provides a marginal grip on the bullet and can potentially allow concentricity inconsistencies. Niccolo Machiavelli. Joined Apr 17, 2010 Messages 206 Location charlottesville virginia. Ok guys i need some help. Hot on the heels of the .300 WSM, Remington countered with the .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum—or RSAUM for short—based on a shortened version of their 1999 .300 Remington Ultra Magnum cartridge. I have found a Savage Model 12 in 300WSM and i already own a Model 12 in 308 and 22-250 and i wouldnt ever trade them for nothing. Ballistic experts compare recoil of different cartridges. I have shot both the 300WSM and own a 308 but i want some feedback on if the 300WSM is actually a reliable long range round. Same weight bullet, same velocity = same recoil. the recoil on a 300 WSM is stout,my 30-06 is pleasant to shoot compared to my 300 WSM,but the WSM isn't sever by any means. Shooting in warm weather meant the barrel heated up quickly and my Barrel-Cool fan was kept busy. When comparing a standard .300 WSM vs .300 Win Mag, it was proved that the .300 win magnum had a higher recoil but could deliver bullets at a very high speed. 300 WSM 165 gr vs 180 gr on Elk. It seams to me your trying to get the most out just one cartridge! Both winchester using powermax bonded bullets, 130 grain for the 270 WSM and 150 for the 308. the 270 WSM starts out at 3000 fps while the 308 is barely above 2500. 300 wsm vs 308 I currently do not have the money to begin the project I want to complete, but my vision is similar to yours so let me share it with you. Joined Dec 10, 2012 Messages 38. The recoil of the .308 cartridge is slightly more pronounced than the 7mm-08 and if flinching might be an issue for you than the 7mm-08 might be a better option. The .30/06 vs. the .300 Winchester Magnum. Also i would like to know barrel life. Reply Link. From 300 to 308 Winchester. Cartridge ([email protected]) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity.30-06 Spfd. I have little experience with taking elk with a firearm. Neither are unpleasant in recoil but you’ve got a sharper recoil to deal with in the WSM. I wanted to feel the difference in recoil between these two firearms. So, yes, there’s a bit of hype swirling ’round the 300 WSM, but even without it, this is a fine, efficient cartridge for throwing 150- to 210-grain .308 bullets at muzzle velocities running 3,300 to 2,900 fps respectively. My pick the 300WSM but the 308W has … The .300 RUM is based on a blown-out .404 Jeffery with a rebated rim, generating velocities among the highest available. Also what you save in powder, barrels, brass you can afford monolithic copper bullets. But either the 284 win or the 300 wsm are great rounds. It was found that when comparing a .30-30 vs .30-06 cartridge, the former had more recoil than the latter. Here are the numbers for 180's in all three. Just get your feed ramp notched to allow feeding the 180VLDs seated long. Here are some measurements and comments about the 300 Win vs the 30 Nos. Velocity For the 300 win the only new case I had was a Lapua head stamp. Reactions: BoomerUSAF. All shooters are different, but for most, the recoil of the .308 Win is manageable even by new shooters or youngsters. Hunting. It might sound crazy, but these two popular hunting cartridges have more in common than you think. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. Spitfire. The .308 Winchester and the PPC line of cartridges have been praised for their geometry, and the .300 WSM follows in that trend. 7mm-08 one shot one Deer I will still keep my 300 ) (30-06 ) 308 7mm etc they all serve a purpose when when used for what they are design for But I will Swear on my 7mm-08. Cons: slightly inferior ballistics at the expense of increased recoil. Mag. Is it worth find new ammunition in the … It's pretty close to the 280 Ackley and since you're a reloader, obtaining ammo won't be an issue. Assuming a 300 WM at 7.5 lbs as well I got: Both my 300 WSM and 30-06 weighed 7.5 lbs scoped. May 3, 2019. Apr 29, 2012 #4 B. bogger01 Well-Known Member. 7MM-08, 140 grain, is my round Before any 24 , 30 caliber round. The above is why I like the 284 win. I took rough measurements of both the 300 Win Mag and the 30 Nosler with the very popular 215 Berger hybrid. But this was good because I have found that the case capacity of the … The muzzle velocity meets or exceeds that of the .30-06 Springfield cartridge but, unlike the .30-06 which requires a long action, the .308 Winchester cycles in short actions. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations . How about the 180gr 300 Win Mag? That’s good enough for addressing anything short of elephants and I wouldn’t bet against it there. For energy the 270 starts out at 3100 while the 308 delivers 2650. While several authorities have stated that the .300 WSM produces more moderate recoil than the larger .300 Win Mag due to the smaller powder charges, in practical terms the recoil level of the .300 WSM in a light weight platform is hefty enough to require highly disciplined technique in order to maintain accuracy at the long ranges where magnums excel. Latest. More Guns. Recoil of the 300 WSM should be pretty much the same as the 300 Win Mag. If you could shoot a 30-06 You can shoot a 300 Winchester Magnum. I'd also vote for the 280 AI, I just put this one together last year and couldn't be happier. Let's compare two top quality deer hunting loads. Jan 10, 2018 #13 M. MAGA Well-Known Member. 6.5 Creedmoor vs .300 Winchester Magnum: Our … Mag: Ballistics, Cost, and Accuracy. Additionally, there are much more versatile weapons available, and you won’t be limited to mostly bolt action rifles. Both are celebrated by hunters worldwide, but which one of these classic .30-caliber cartridges will come out on top I use the Alpha mags, but Seekins are another option. Joined Jul 15, 2014 Messages 49. For example ALCO 168 gr Alum tips. God bless The felt recoil of my .300 WSM is similar to .308 Win. Joe April 24, 2019, 11:15 pm. ? I am not a competitive shooter so recoil is not an issue. 15-01-2020, 07:45 PM #11. I'm not recoil shy and love the thump of that 300wsm. I have a local … As for Recoil The Heaver Bullet the more Felt Recoil You will Receive.jmo~ both are good cartridges. It can be seen that the ultra-light weight of the Subalpine and .300 WSM cartridge was a real trial to shoot accurately and no doubt having the Kimber muzzle brake would have helped tame recoil, muzzle jump and resulted in improved group sizes. Joined Jul 30, 2017 Messages 98. 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